How can you rewrite the narrative to see age as just a number? Do you want to celebrate the beauty of moving through life’s milestones without worrying about biological age? Why is aging an unseen superpower, and how can we use it to live better lives? 

In this podcast episode, Jennifer Froemel speaks about overcoming the fear of aging.

In This Podcast:

• Unpacking the fear of aging 
• Aging is a privilege 
• Redefining beauty in aging 
• Rewriting aging narratives
• Final thoughts

Unpacking the fear of aging

Where does the fear of aging come from? In Western culture, being young and impactful is prized, which means that aging and becoming less “useful” is feared. 

 [However], in our indigenous people, we are excited about aging in many ways because we are then seen as an elder. We are seen as someone who is respected because of all the life that we have lived.

Jennifer Froemel

Cultural and generational narratives about aging, especially for women, also exist and add an unnecessary element of pressure to an already pressured transition. 

In Western societies, youth and beauty are often synonymous, and women are either directly or indirectly encouraged to slow their aging. 

That desire to ensure that women still have it! That youthful look. You hear it all the time … We don’t really hear that about men.

Jennifer Froemel

In many movies, television, and advertising media, aging people are portrayed in a very specific, often unflattering light. Sure, there are difficult aspects of aging, but it is still a natural process. 

Demonizing aging causes anxiety and fear. Welcoming the journey and being appreciative of the experience is what can help people age gracefully. 

Aging is a privilege

 Aging is a privilege! As opposed to a burden. A lot of people don’t get the chance to grow old. So flip the script and realize that those of us who are here, who are aged, it’s good!

Jennifer Froemel

Shift your mindset from loss to gain. Sure, your life has progressed, and some years have gone by, but look at how much you have gained! Life experience and memories. 

You have relevance in your age because you have accumulated important life lessons, and you can still be relevant by combining your lived experience with new insights. Your time isn’t up yet, so don’t act like it is! 

Redefining beauty in aging

Redefine your beauty, confidence, authenticity, and your self-care over perfection. Recognize that the hair on your head, while it is changing, has things about it that are different and that you have never had before … Recognize that [some things stay the same], like your smile, [which] is perfect for you.

Jennifer Froemel

Your opinions and personal definitions don’t have to stay static because neither are you!

What you consider beautiful may change as you change, and while you begin you see new aspects of the same old things, likewise, you may start to see new types of beauty in yourself too. 

The best advice that you can get about changing your perspective on beauty is to refresh your mindset. Broaden it, and incorporate scoopfuls of gratitude and appreciation for what you have, can do, and appreciate about yourself.

Rewriting aging narratives

Really, aging isn’t so much of a crime as it is a part of evolution. 

Know that you are not alone in your fears but that you also can redefine what you think about aging. 

 For men and women who say, “Ugh, I’m old now!” … You are aging yourself with those thoughts and those words! Yes, it’s true, we’re all aging every day, but the fact of the matter is we are not aging unless we tell ourselves we are!

Jennifer Froemel

Remember the power that you have with the simple act of being aware of and intentionally changing up your mindset. Yes, your human body ages, but you are not old until you say you are. 

Take care of yourself, take care of your body, appreciate what you have and what you can still do with it, and enjoy your life! It’s too short to do otherwise. 

Final thoughts

 You deserve to recognize your wholeness! You can rewrite the narrative, and you can fulfill what you are capable of when you try to meet yourself tomorrow with effort and integrity. 

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ABOUT THE FEAR OF CHANGE PODCAST

Change can be scary, but it doesn’t have to be. The Fear of Change podcast is all about helping you embrace change and live a more fulfilling life. Hosted by Jennifer Froemel, LCPC, a therapist with nearly 30 years of experience, we cover topics like mental wellness, holistic health, and improving relationships.

Jennifer’s down-to-earth approach makes it easy to understand why we fear change and how to move past those fears. Whether you’re dealing with anxiety, relationship issues, or just feeling stuck, there’s something here for you.

Podcast Transcription

Jennifer Froemel 00:00:00 The Fear of Change podcast is part of the practice of the Practice Network, a network of podcasts seeking to help you market and grow your business and yourself. To hear other podcasts like the Sensitive in Nature podcast, go to practice of the Practice Network. Welcome to the Fear of Change podcast. I’m your host, Jennifer Cromwell, a therapist dedicated to helping you challenge your perspective. See, fear is only one option and discover that finding yourself is a lot of work, but totally worth it. In each episode will explore the depths of change, uncovering strategies to embrace it with confidence and resilience. So get ready to embark on a journey of self-discovery and transformation. Let’s face our fears together and find the courage to create the life we truly desire. Thank you for joining me. Welcome back to the Fear of Change podcast. I’m Jennifer from LCP, and I’m here with you today, continuing the series on middle age and the fears that come along with middle age and midlife. Today, I wanted to start us off with a bit of a different way to start our episodes, and I wanted to start off actually by talking about how sometimes, even in doing some very basic mindfulness techniques, as you’ve heard me talk about every episode, pretty much, it can really strengthen and change the way we show up. Jennifer Froemel 00:01:52 As you’ve heard me talk before, and I wanted to talk today about change, seeing change being seen as an opportunity. So I want to talk about strengthening. Affirmations. Again, you’ve talked me heard me talk about how the way we talk to ourselves just in our thoughts as well as we hear ourselves out loud. You’re going to hear me talk about this a lot today. But I wanted to start with a strengthening affirmation, and that is the following. If we see that change is an opportunity, we might change because change can cause suffering. We suffer when our plans don’t come together as we expected. When a relationship ends, when we have to uproot our lives for one reason or another. But in the midst of this pain and suffering that we have and experience, there’s also so much potential for joy and An opportunity. I think you’ve heard me say this before. When you feel your heart resisting inevitable change. I want you to try and visualize a tree moving through the seasons, turning red and gold and autumn shedding its leaves in the winter, growing new buds in the spring and showing its glorious greenery in the summer. Jennifer Froemel 00:03:27 Consider for yourself how you can move through the ebbs and flows of the seasons in your own life, with the grace of a tree. And when you do, repeat this affirmation to yourself, both inside your head, outside your head, however you need to do it. Writing change is full of opportunity. I’ll say it again. The strengthening affirmation here is change is full of opportunity. Inhale in, exhale out. And know that sitting in that discomfort, sitting in the uncomfortability is actually the thing that’s going to move you through that change to the other side. And who knows, right. Who knows what that opportunity is going to be. All right. So getting into today’s episode. So ultimately it is our episode 14 for the podcast. But it’s episode five in this series of ten. And again it’s overcoming fear of aging. So we all know that aging is an inevitable part of life. Yet for many women and men, it comes with fear, uncertainty, societal pressures. And in this episode, we’re going to explore the roots of age related anxiety and how media cultural expectations. Jennifer Froemel 00:04:58 Internalized beliefs shape our perception of getting older. But most importantly, we’re going to discuss how to shift our mindset, build our confidence, and embrace aging as a time of growth, empowerment, and dare I say it? Beauty. So we’re really going to just, you know, jump right in. Where does the fear of aging come from? Well, the pressure to stay young and the fear of becoming invisible inside is definitely, definitely at the core. And I would say perhaps in our indigenous tribes and our indigenous people on this planet, it’s very much reversed. In our indigenous people, we are excited about aging in many ways because we are then seen as an elder. we are seen as someone who is very much respected because of all the life they’ve lived, because of all the life they’ve lived. Right? So here I’m saying in Western societies, and I would even say eastern, look at China and Japan. This fear of becoming invisible in society is a real thing. Cultural and generational narratives about aging, again, particularly for women, also exist. Jennifer Froemel 00:06:28 That desire to ensure that women still have got it, they’ve still got that pizzazz. They’ve still got that, like, youthful look. Right. You hear all the time about you look at a woman and you look at their neck, and their neck gives away their age. We talk culturally about, you know, oh, she’s just old and senile. We don’t really hear that about men. We also have those personal fears, right? I’ve heard people say things like, well, I mean, when you were once beautiful, the idea of aging your skin, your hair, it’s just harder because you were once this beauty. Health concerns obviously. Right. As our bodies are aging, we have more help disparity, health issues. And then of course, when you think about career stagnation, right. A lot of people thinking the thought that I’m not I’m not in the top anymore. I’m not, you know, thinking of ourselves as a Michael Jordan or LeBron James, you know, or a top notch sprinter, right, on a US track team. Jennifer Froemel 00:07:48 You’re not you’re not at the top of your game anymore. So that fear of like I could get cut from my job because I’ve been here the longest. I might have the highest pay, but I’m not producing like I used to. And that idea of just feeling irrelevant again, I’m not like the cool cat on the street anymore. I didn’t just come out of, you know, graduate school from Stanford or Yale. So it’s this, this constant fear of, oh, and I even am I even relevant? And then that fear of mortality, you know, aging is a reminder of life’s impermanence, even though we see young people die daily due to many things. But as we’re aging, it’s more and more a reminder of, yeah, life is fleeting, you know, today, here, today, gone tomorrow. Of course, we also are looking at, you know, media and society’s influence. Like I said, specifically with women. We see this perception of aging about beauty. And, you know, the anti-aging industry really fuels our insecurity. Jennifer Froemel 00:09:06 And you’ve seen a lot in many actors and actresses talking about how, you know, they don’t understand why aging actresses and actors go out and get facelifts and, you know, get the lip plumping and things like that going on the Botox and the forehead, all the things. And and when you see that and you see so much attention being pushed on, the need to not look like you’ve aged. And so you see people who alter their look because they’re aging. What is this all doing? Right. The portrayal of older women, even in movies, television and advertising. You know, youth versus aging gracefully. When we’re constantly hit in the head with this. It really does make us question our validity. But what we’re seeing more and more is a rise of age, positive influencers and role models. Women who redefine aging. I think of, you know, people like Christie Brinkley. You know, again, a top model. many I think of what, you know, folks that we’ve seen as models like Cindy Crawford. Jennifer Froemel 00:10:31 We’re seeing them as they’re allowing themselves to age. again, I have no concept of either of those women have gotten work done. But what I do know is that from all the the interviews and things like that that I have seen with them, I’ve definitely seen what appears to be them accepting their age. There’s somewhat of a double standard when we talk about men. We talk about men looking distinguished, while women are pressured to stay youthful. And again, that’s something societally across the gamut. Again, I would say, you know, from from China and Japan and, you know, Europe and America definitely is is like men. It’s okay for them to be distinguished. but but women, it’s it’s that really big push for us to to stay youthful. And as we do embrace aging, it’s important to look at this as an empowering phase of life. You know, I will go back for a second with men. You know, I know here in the Chicagoland area, there’s a well-known baseball player, Frank Thomas, who, you know, does this commercial about eugenics or eugenics, that’s why it’s called eugenics. Jennifer Froemel 00:11:57 And it’s, you know, and she’ll like it, too. It’s it’s addressing how and rapports and men can negatively impact their libido and their, like, virility, that sense of like, strength. because again, as we talked about in this series, men have Andrew pause going on while women have menopause or perimenopause going on simultaneously. Sometimes I think it’s a sick joke, like if one of you is a little bit older than the other and vice versa, you know, it’s like, oh, this person is, you know, just starting there, like sundowning and hormone changes while the other person is, you know, still, still got some going on and the other, you know, or the other person’s, like, completely flatlined, while the other person’s like, come on, let’s, let’s, let’s keep this aging together. but but yeah, when we’re looking at how we embrace aging. It’s it’s so interesting. Interesting how shifting the focus from loss to gains. Right. Like I said, in our indigenous people, it is very much about experience, their self-awareness, their freedom. Jennifer Froemel 00:13:13 Like, I’ve lived such a life and only now am I able to be seen as important. But I think aging is a privilege as a as opposed to a burden. A lot of people don’t get a chance to grow old. So again, flipping the script and and realizing that those of us that are here that are aged. It’s good. It is good to be aged because of the fact that we then do get to bring our relevance, and we still get to learn and share with others what we maybe got to not, you know, not know early on in our aging process. And now we can talk about it. You know, we could talk about why it’s important after age 18 that you have a skincare routine, especially on your face, because you’re, you know, your face is the first thing people get to see. this idea of practicing also gratitude for your body and the life it has carried you through. I think so many women talk about how, you know, they they don’t like their, their tummies because their, their tummies are a reminder of the fact that, you know, they were once pregnant versus seeing that that skin and that part of the belly and appreciating that it carried in it. Jennifer Froemel 00:14:47 Your next generation, that it brought forth life and it carried you through, right? Even those of us and like myself, are back issues as a result of my pregnancies and my birth. I mean it I have a constant reminder of of the birth that that, you know, I had to manage and the pregnancies that I chose. and was, was honored enough to carry in this body every time I have those back pains. But when my back is functional and good, I am. I am filled with gratitude and and I want to move my body more as a way to say, we still have this. We still have this flexibility. And even when my flexibility is minimal, I still want to prove to my body and to honor my body, that I still have the capacity, you know, even if I’m having a bad day and I’m like, you know what? I still get to stand and wash dishes. I still get to pick up this garbage off the floor and put it in the garbage can. Jennifer Froemel 00:16:04 I still get to do these things. This also idea of redefining beauty, right? Again, looking at things as an empowering phase, redefining your beauty, your confidence, your authenticity, and your self-care over perfection. Right. So recognizing, for example, that the hair on your head while it is changing. There’s things about it that are different that you never had before. For example, I have these crazy, wicked cool curls along the side of my A hairline that I never had before, except when I purposefully got my hair permed when I was, you know, in my late teens and 20s. Really looking at what are the parts of you, you know, like your eyes when you smile, do they light up regardless of the fact that perhaps your eyelid might be drooping, regardless of the fact that you might have some crow’s feet at the corner edges of your eyes when you smile, recognizing that your smile is perfect for you. Maybe you have a slanted little smile like my husband does. And it’s it’s just like a really cute aspect of him to me. Jennifer Froemel 00:17:35 It makes him more authentically him and it draws me to him more. So confidence building strategies that we can take a look at like a mindset shift is kind of what I’m talking about. Redefining your beauty is shifting your mindset. It’s not going like, oh, I, I am £120 and the same way my body was £120 when I was a lean, mean gymnast in my, you know, 18, 19, 20 years of life. But instead recognizing, wow, I can still kick ass and take names in a Pilates class. Now, I didn’t say the top end Pilates class. I just said in my Pilates class, I can know that I have that strength for myself. I’m not in competition with anyone but me. So I can replace that negative self-talk with affirmations about my wisdom and growth. I know how much to limit my body, my strength, but I all also know how much I have the capacity to expand it. And I will also add in here. We do know that the more we wait train as we age. Jennifer Froemel 00:18:57 It builds up strength in our bones. And it also helps with muscle memory. And again, if you remember we’ve talked I’ve talked a few different times now about how we know that utilizing some methods of mindfulness activity, right. Even two minutes a day regrows gray brain matter. So again that pairing of you with your tree, right. That living thing in front of you, that seems like it is stagnant, it seems like it is just there and it hasn’t moved. That is something important for you to do. So helping your mindset could also just be giving yourself two minutes a day. Kind of standing in front of a tree, recognizing how it is a living being just like you. And that goes right into self-care practices, right? Your exercises, your skin care. Your meditation. The things that make you feel good. If for you, having a smoothie Monday through Friday is is your jam like when you intake whatever you put in there, you know, you put in some protein powder, you put in some spinach, you put in some celery, you put in berries. Jennifer Froemel 00:20:24 Right. And maybe your favorite almond milk, right. You put it all in together and you’re like, are so excited to have this thing. That is the fuel you are giving your body the first thing in the morning. So much is happening As you’re prepping for that because you are putting into writing right in front of you, you’re putting into material something that is going to fuel your brain and your body. Now we’ll talk to you about surrounding yourself with positivity. You know, really ensuring that, you know, you’re you’re really following your empowering other women. You know, that age positive women. I have grown quite a few friendships with women who are like ten years older than me, and I’ve really appreciated it. I find these women to be really helpful at enhancing my love of myself as I’m aging, and my appreciation for this part of my life, this phase of my life. So really trying to follow women who and men who are in your age group to be able to recognize, like, yep, they’re going through it too. Jennifer Froemel 00:21:51 But like also if you can find or have friendships naturally occurring that are maybe ten years older than you, it kind of gives you a prelude, you know, to what your what, what you’re going to face next. And then trying new things at this age. Right. Learning new things. You know, I know so many people who are like, oh, I want to, you know, become a therapist. You know, I’ve had this job always in this industry, but it’s never made me happy. So now I want to learn to be a therapist, or now I want to, you know, learn to be a painter. this is the time to do that. You know, traveling and seeing new things. Stepping outside of your comfort zone. Again, in midlife. We might be in that sandwich time of life where we’re taking care of our children and our aging parents. Right. And so perhaps at some point you have an opportunity to to really plan a good long and then, of course, setting new goals. Jennifer Froemel 00:23:00 You know, whether it’s a personal goal, a professional goal, a creative goal, it doesn’t matter. But the biggest thing that does matter is we don’t really ever want to stop learning, right? Our 40s, our 50s or 60s, our 70s. Our 80s. Right. Is is important that we recognize like the more we grow, the more we learn about ourselves. and the more we, you know, experience, the better our lives can be. As as we continue, you know, the aging process. And and again, I think this is something that a lot of people don’t necessarily realize. You know, they think limited. They think about the fact that like, well, maybe life just, you know, I’m retiring. So I don’t really have anything to do now. I don’t really have anything. This is the time to give back. This is the time if you have saved well or you know, if you’ve been left a nest egg. This is the time for you to go and do things that just make you feel good. Jennifer Froemel 00:24:12 This is when I find a lot of people find volunteering their time. While it does feel somewhat of a job. It is a volunteer job, which is a much different feeling because yes, you might still have things requested of you or expected of you, but the differential here is this is more coming from your place of passion. You know, your Are volunteering and your your efforts. They’re going into something that you have been passionate about. But maybe knew deep down it wasn’t something that could make a living for you, right? Or not necessarily living you wanted to make at the time. Maybe you’re needed to make all based on your needs of of what you defined for yourself. So really, aging isn’t so much a decline as it is an evolution. And you’re not alone in your fears, but you know, you really have the power to redefine what aging means for you. And I really like to look at it as, you know, experiencing a new variation of confidence, joy, and purpose. Jennifer Froemel 00:25:29 Those things aren’t limited to just the youthful people of the world. These things grow over time as we grow over time. You know, I have said this time and time again. We are limitless. The only thing that limits us is our thoughts and beliefs. So when I hear people talking about themselves in a way that says, oh, I’m old or I have migraines, I just can’t. Those words are limiting your beliefs, correct? You may have been diagnosed with a migraine disorder. Not going to take that away from you, but to say I have migraines, I can’t. Without ever knowing and trying. You’re limiting yourself for for men and women who say, oh, but I’m old now, or oh, I’m aging or Oh, I just can’t. I’m too old. You are aging yourself by those thoughts and those words. Yes. It’s true. You’re aging. We’re all aging every day. But the fact of the matter is, we are not aging unless we tell ourselves we are more than anybody else. Jennifer Froemel 00:27:04 And recently, I, I had the honor of reading, this, this woman who I really appreciate. Her name is Aviva Ram, and she helps a lot of women as they’re going through their journey of, you know, being, becoming a mother, moving in and out of, perimenopause and menopause. and one of the things that, she really, really brought to mind for me recently was this idea of having, having been medically hexed. and the power of words to heal and to harm. And it made me think about my story. I remember, in fifth grade. I think I may have mentioned this before. Maybe I did not. I was born, with my right foot pigeon toed. And so my first two years of life I spent in casts, and then when I was able to walk and when I was like, in my, my twos somewhere, I was put into these shoes that were held together with kind of like a bar and like, I kind of had to wiggle basically my feet in order to move. Jennifer Froemel 00:28:27 And, so that was me at birth. and then in fifth grade, I was having some foot pain. We went into a podiatrist, and the podiatrist actually said to me, you will never be able to run like a normal person. And I remember I looked at that doctor and was like, I just was running, you know? I thought, this is really strange. And the doctor said it again, you will never be able to run like a normal person. Now, for many people, this may have meant I was medically hexed, right? It could be that, you know, that diagnosis of someone who has migraines. Oh, I, I you know, I’ll never be able to run like a normal person. My brain, of course, did not take it that way, though. My brain was like, But I run and I don’t know what this normal person thing is because I see lots of my friends running and nobody runs. Quote unquote normal. I don’t know what that means. Jennifer Froemel 00:29:42 But what I did recognize was that the words from that health care provider, instead of them taking me, taking those words, and having them be a self-fulfilling prophecy, meaning I took those words and was like, I’m never going to try to run. I should just give up before I even try. Of course, I didn’t do that. The difference between that placebo effect and the nocebo effect, and why they both matter, is that the placebo effect says to you, I’m giving you this pill that gives you special powers. And the nocebo effect, you don’t do anything. And it’s so interesting because then the placebo effect will be almost always find is that the person who thinks that they got the drug or they they think they got the thing, whatever it was, the injection, whatever. Those people have a tendency to do great. And the people who have the nocebo effect where, you know, nothing happens. They suddenly start to feel like they didn’t get anything and they feel horrible. But what we know, and you guys have heard me talk about Doctor Bruce Lipton with the biology of belief, we know that the neurobiology of belief and how it impacts our response to stress, our hormones, our immune system, we know that the biology of belief is very impactful. Jennifer Froemel 00:31:17 So using disempowering language, specifically in women’s health care really limits us. And so here I was in fifth grade, being told you’ll never be able to run like everybody else And I was really, like, thought this was preposterous. And so when I got to high school, I joined track and I ran and I even did well running. Sophomore year, however, I suddenly got shin splints and they were real, real bad. And anybody who’s had bad shin splints, you know what I’m talking about. I really often wanted to die. and I got to a place where, actually, my shin splints were so bad they became stress fractures, which everybody who knows what stress fractures are. I mean, again, it does not feel good to walk. Well, guess what, guys? Because I am who I am. I did not hear from the doctor. Oh, you have terrible stress fractures and you should never run again. The doctor said, listen, you didn’t run in good shoes. I don’t think we even ever told the doctor about my pigeon toed ness. Jennifer Froemel 00:32:41 the doctor definitely noted that I had low arches and that I should perhaps get some arch supports. Okay. We did. We got me some arch supports. Guys, I went back to track as soon as I was medically cleared, and the next year I was named our MVP of our team. And we had a pretty big team. Up and running wasn’t just my bag. I like to do longer distance runs. but I was on Shotput and discus more than anything. To me, knowing that I had, you know, the the foot thing, knowing that I had, you know, the pigeon ness, knowing that I had the flatter foot, knowing that I had this tendency towards, you know, possibly getting stress fractures or shin splints. Again, none of these things stopped me. I have gone on to run half marathons. I’ve gone on to run half. what did I say? Half marathons, half marathons. Triathlons. and, you know, I’ve. I’ve hiked a ton. and guess what? Like, I’m doing it. Jennifer Froemel 00:33:55 And it doesn’t change the fact that the doctor said that to me. You will never run like a normal person. And and here’s the thing. We can take whatever that remark is and we can change it. We can take that remark and allow it to become who we are. But the reality is, is that we all know that words create realities. Science is catching up with what many of us have long known in our bones that words are medicine. They can soothe us. They can shatter, shatter us. They can liberate or limit us. They can plant hope or they could sow fear. When we’re vulnerable, when we’re facing a diagnosis or navigating a chronic illness, we enter a heightened state of suggestibility. And it’s not weakness, it’s biology. Our nervous system is more alert, our subconscious is more open. And that’s exactly when the things we’ve told can leave their deepest imprint. So when we’ve been told these things right at that moment, it can really impact us. As women and men, we have to learn to listen to practitioners with discernment. Jennifer Froemel 00:35:12 You know, that little bit of the truth here is that no one holds absolute truth about our bodies but us. And I could get into the birth of my twins and the diagnosis of my twin pregnancy, and I probably will in another date. More to come. But choosing what I chose for myself with the running for me. That was really the believe it. I believed I could run like a normal person. And I did. And I still do. You deserve care. You deserve to take all of this stuff in that we’re talking about and recognize your wholeness, not just look at your thing yourself as I’m old, right? You deserve to talk to people, medical providers and things like that. You deserve compassion. You deserve respect. You deserve clarity. Not fear not. You know, a doctor who kind of mindlessly states things with words that you will be left to live with, right? You are able to rewrite your script. You are able to recognize what you are capable of and speaking back to. Jennifer Froemel 00:36:37 Limiting beliefs, whether they’re coming from outside or inside. It’s so important that you do the things for you the most that you need to, because that’s what matters deeply. As we’re going through this process of aging. So again, aging is an evolution. You are not alone in your fears, but you do have the power to redefine what aging means for you. And remember that confidence, joy and purpose are not limited to youthful folks. So see aging as a badge of honor instead of something to fear. As always, thanks for tuning into the Fear of Change podcast. And if you’ve enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review! Follow me on Instagram and Facebook for more discussions on embracing change. We look forward to you meeting with us next time when we hit on Rediscovering Identity post parenting. That’s what we’re going to be talking about next time. Also, please check out our efforts with the Antar Drishti Girls Home. You’ll find some ways to follow that and learn more about Aunt Hardesty over in Nepal. Jennifer Froemel 00:37:58 They’re doing some amazing work, and again, it’s because they chose to listen to what sounded like the right thing to do at the right time for them, and now they’re able to change the lives of youth forward. Forward thinking. Thanks again. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the Fear of Change podcast. I hope you found today’s discussion enlightening and empowering. Remember, change is inevitable, but how we respond to it is what truly matters. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a review and share it with others who might benefit from our conversations. Join me next time as we continue to explore new ways to handle change and live our best lives. Until then, I’m Jennifer Brummel, encouraging you to. Face your fears and embrace the journey of self-discovery. This podcast is designed to provide accurate and authoritative information in regards to the subject matter covered. It is given with understanding that neither the host, the publisher or the guests are rendering legal, accounting, clinical or any other professional information. Jennifer Froemel 00:39:24 If you want a professional, you should find one.